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Old 02-28-2013, 03:50 PM
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EagleRiverDee EagleRiverDee is offline
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Most comfortable inflatable, under 3 pounds

I know discussion on pads has come up before many times but all the threads look to have been started a couple years ago and technology in the past couple years has made for some extremely good pads in very light weights.

My current pad is the Pacific Outdoors Equipment Peak Elite AC, in the standard length. It's not uncomfortable, per se, but it's kind of narrow, kind of cold (despite it's r rating) and could be more comfortable. It's done fine, but I want to sleep more soundly this year.

I've been looking at the Big Agnes Q Core 25" wide pad. Although I've worked hard at lightening my load, I just think I would sleep so much better on something 1" thicker and 5" wider. It's also got a little better r rating.

So to summarize- I'm looking for an inflatable (not self-inflatable) very comfortable air mattress, suitable for backpacking but not necessarily ultralight.

What do you folks that pack for comfort currently use?
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:55 PM
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There's an Exped DownMat that comes in a wide (26") version. However, if I recall correctly, it's also a long (i.e. 77.5").

They are very warm. It's now available in a UL model, which features the same amount of insulation, but sports a lighter fabric.

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Old 02-28-2013, 08:51 PM
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dsuursoo dsuursoo is offline
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there's a mil-spec air mattress of recent manufacture that is pretty comfortable and tips in around where you want(i think), but they're VERY hard to find apparently. the valve is very... odd, almost bicycle style. also a bit of a weak spot in the design.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:21 AM
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Forttom Forttom is offline
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I have a Therm-a-Rest Neo X that has an R Value of 5.7, 72" x 20" X 2.5". Weighs 15 oz., and lists for U.S. $179 with a street price of probably $149 give or take, and comes in 26" width at 7.oz more.

But I went through few matresses to find one I can live with. Other's have opined that they hate these. I have cursed to hell a Therm-a-Rest self inflator that I had, took with me once, and gave away to someone on a limited budget that needed it. Said person really liked the thing. Go figure, and that leads me to my point.

The point of the above paragraph, is, go to a sporting goods store, or what have you and make sure they have a return policy. Then sleep on it at home, with whatever various bags you plan on using. Recommending one as comfortable is so subjective, in my opinion the hardest piece of gear I could think of to recommend. Just like the guy that took that rotting, stinking, chunk of satan's bowel movement (the Therma-A-Rest self inflator) and thought it was just like sleeping on unicorn feathers.

Go through a couple, at least, and don't get so wound up about a point of R factor. If it has an R Factor of 6 and you sleep 5 minutes on it and your back hurts, then a R6 over a R5 isn't going to mean diddly to you. Believe me, I've been through this. Several times. Not trying to be a know-it-all, just trying to save you some of the pain , money and frustration, that I've suffered over time.

Hope this helps at least a little,

FT

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Old 03-03-2013, 04:28 PM
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Benwaller Benwaller is offline
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Eagle,

BA IAC, had it for 5-6 years, holds air and keeps my old bones off the ground when I am on the ground, which mostly I'm not anymore as I have been persuaded that hammocks are a more optimal sleep solution in most situations.

I agree that in a pad, wider and higher is better. No 3/4 length uber-lite ridiculousness for me certainly. Apparently I have an opinion. True. Sometimes I wonder what motivates so many to go forth with less than minimal gear. My suspicion is that competitiveness is so rabidly rampant among us that common sense is rendered impossible by default, that the benefit of immersion in the miraculous is less valued than the "gear" we haul out there. Stranger and stranger.

Whatever, I think you are on the right track, that making up your own mind about what is important is what is important, that the restorative value of sleep is highly important. Not that lightness does not not matter, it does, but some things matter more. Like rest and recuperation and being ready and happy about the day stretched out before you.

Do what satisfies you. It's your hike, your load, your life.

Sleep well and prosper.

Ben
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:38 AM
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Not to hijack a thread or start an entirely different discussion, but have you looked at hammocks? I switched to hanging a couple of years ago and never went back.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:01 PM
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Like Ben, I've settled on a Big Agnes insulated air core. I've used it two seasons now and haven't used a Thermarest since. It took a while for me to learn that it's more comfortable if it isn't blown up full, which is fine with me, as it's less time blowing and more time laying around!
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:53 PM
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EagleRiverDee EagleRiverDee is offline
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Originally Posted by ferball
Not to hijack a thread or start an entirely different discussion, but have you looked at hammocks? I switched to hanging a couple of years ago and never went back.

I'm often above treeline, so Hammocks aren't an option for most of what I do, otherwise I would most definitely consider them.
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:01 PM
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I've been very impressed with the exped downmat and synmat lineup. The synmats are lighter by a hair, and less warm. Inflation is very easy with the schnozzel pump bag.
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:55 PM
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I have a new Big Agnes Insulated Air Core and a new Thermarest NeoAir XTherm. Both are warranty replacements for ones that developed unfixable leaks. Both are thick enough for comfortable rest within their temperature range.

From the manufacturer's websites, I got the following specs:

Big Agnes Insulated Air Core is 20" x 72" x 3.25" and weighs 21 oz. No R Value is listed, although it has a claimed temperature range of 15ºF.

Thermarest NeoAir XTherm is 20" x 72" x 2.5" and weighs 14 oz. and has an R value of 5.7.

I used my old NeoAir on many nights in the teens and never felt cold. In December, we had a nasty ice storm that dropped 3" of ice on us and brought temps down to 17ºF overnight. That became my back yard test night for the brand new Big Agnes Insulated Air Core. By midnight, the underside of me was uncomfortably cold. The weather was so nasty, I didn't want to get up but about 2 AM I decided I needed to replace it with the NeoAir if I was to get any sleep. I finally got up, replaced the Air Core with the new Thermarest NeoAir XTherm and was toasty and comfy the rest of the night.

That's my experience.
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