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Old 04-03-2014, 09:06 PM
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Bushwalker Bushwalker is offline
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Should I plan on purchasing a large, comfortable pack first, and then build my gear list, making adjustments that will fit in? or gather the rest of my gear (sleeping bag, pad, cook set, etc) first, determine the volume I'm at, and then find a large enough pack to hold it all.................

Trying to avoid too many "rookie mistakes" if they can be avoided!

JUST PERSONALLY, I believe you have got your purchasing priorities "wrong way 'round" to begin with, 'Checksum' !

MY preferred order would be :

1. Map(s) and Compass ~ and learn how to use them; water bottles;
2. A decent backpack;
3. Hat, sunscreen, insect repellant, sun glasses; First Aid Kit;
4. A half-way-decent Rain jacket;
5. Shoes, boots or sandals (to suit the terrain and the load..);
6. Sleeping bag; (and mat..);
7. Eating and cooking set;
8. A new lighter tent, or tarp..

OTHERWISE, I can well imagine you struggling along with a 60-70 lbs+ load in a grossly oversized expedition-sized pack...

FOR a raw beginner, I would be looking at a pretty basic and simple, and not too heavy, internal frame, nylon or polyester/cotton canvas 'pack weighing a couple of kilo's ~ with a 60-75 litre capacity for males, and 50-65 litres for the females ~ from one of the middle-priced manufacturers..
You can always move up or down from here as you gain experience, and a clearer idea of your own personal needs. (DON'T be surprised if you end up with 3 or 4 different packs in your kit eventually, rather than one "fits all" dream pack..).

Limiting yourself to a "middling-sized" 'pack will then force you to more seriously consider what gear you then need to take ~ otherwise, having too big and unwieldily a pack to start with might only encourage you to thro in those extra unnecessary 'extras'..

And a daypack for the shorter walks, around 15-25 litres capacity ~ some backpacks already come with the "removable" style of daypacks attached..

EVERYONE'S needs are different, and you have to develop your own style, in the long run.

Last edited by Bushwalker : 04-03-2014 at 09:13 PM.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:10 AM
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Checksum Checksum is offline
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Thanks for the list, Bushwalker!

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Originally Posted by Bushwalker
MY preferred order would be :

1. Map(s) and Compass ~ and learn how to use them; water bottles;
2. A decent backpack;
3. Hat, sunscreen, insect repellant, sun glasses; First Aid Kit;
4. A half-way-decent Rain jacket;
5. Shoes, boots or sandals (to suit the terrain and the load..);
6. Sleeping bag; (and mat..);
7. Eating and cooking set;
8. A new lighter tent, or tarp..


1. Maps (should be coming in the next couple of weeks) and Compass (got one), water bottles (have a 2L bladder, and a couple Nalgene-style bottles)
1a. While not an expert, I think I have a fairly decent ability to read/use them.
2. topic in question...
3. I have most of these items already, in some form or another
4. I have a "rain suit" from a planned (but missed) trip to the BWCA, have another light fleece jacket
5. Have a couple pair of shoes that should work, at least for starters (inov 8 griproc 325)
6. (re)searching... (A little surprised to see this so far down the list, actually)
7. (re)searching...
8. Have a tent; better for "car camping" than hiking, so I might replace it sooner than later
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Old 04-04-2014, 05:28 PM
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dsuursoo dsuursoo is offline
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Originally Posted by Checksum
Thanks for the list, Bushwalker!




1. Maps (should be coming in the next couple of weeks) and Compass (got one), water bottles (have a 2L bladder, and a couple Nalgene-style bottles)
1a. While not an expert, I think I have a fairly decent ability to read/use them.
2. topic in question...
3. I have most of these items already, in some form or another
4. I have a "rain suit" from a planned (but missed) trip to the BWCA, have another light fleece jacket
5. Have a couple pair of shoes that should work, at least for starters (inov 8 griproc 325)
6. (re)searching... (A little surprised to see this so far down the list, actually)
7. (re)searching...
8. Have a tent; better for "car camping" than hiking, so I might replace it sooner than later


one of the nice points of having your pack before a lot of the other stuff, is you can take it in to the local outfitter's and (with permission) test-fit stuff you're eyeing. you can even get a good idea of what it'll feel like, if you take along some test weights or if they have weighted sand-bags to simulate a load(places like REI do this to help people decide on what to get).

i did that with my current pack when i was researching shelter options. i wound up pulling the triggers on two shelters that could fit in the very roomy side pockets on the pack(where they can be deployed without having to risk the primary compartment in foul weather), with only minimal stuffing.

the sleeping bag is a lucky fit that sits right in the bottom of the pack nice and clean, but if i hadn't gotten it just before getting the pack i would have gone bag-shopping the same way.
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Old 04-05-2014, 03:11 AM
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Thanks for the list, Bushwalker!

1........................

6. (re)searching... (A little surprised to see this so far down the list, actually)

7. (re)searching....................



THAT'S possibly because I'm located on the East coast of New South Wales, down here in Australia ~ where the choice of sleeping bag isn't quite the "life and death" decision that it will be in many parts of North America and Europe; (it would be if I ventured up into the mountains - or down south to the Snowy Mountains or Tasmania..).

But over here on the coast, a lightweight bag is good for half the year, and in the middle of summer you would often be lying on it rather than in it !.

IN some of those cooler and more elevated places, the sleeping bag might be #3 or 4 in my priorities (depending on what sort of rain jacket I had already..).
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:44 PM
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GGervin GGervin is offline
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Personally, I think that you should start by renting good quality backpacks if you can. If you rent a few times - especially if you try different packs - you'll probably find it a lot easier to know what you do and don't want in a backpack. The buying the right pack should definitely be high on your list, but you do want it to be the right pack.

Once you know what you do and don't want, having a little patience and looking for that killer deal is a great way to go. But the knowledge you get from renting will really help you be sure which killer deal is right for you.
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:13 AM
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Just a quick update...

I spent some time trying a number of pack out over the Memorial Day weekend, and settled on the Ospery Aether 60 (over the Gerggory z65).

While the Osprey might be a little heavier, after loading ~30 lbs and wandering the store for a couple of laps, it felt more comfortable/I felt less pinning on the collar bones, despite the salesperson confirming that both packs were properly positioned/strapped.

Plus the front panel access is pretty slick!

We also picked up a pair of therm-a-rest pads for 25% off (woot!), one for me, one for my lady. She want's to go the quilt route where as I'm still undecided for the most part, but that's a topic for a whole 'nother thread.

The gear is starting to come together now... getting real excited!
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:58 PM
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That's a great pack! Congratulations Keep us updated on the gear and the trip.
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Old 05-28-2014, 08:39 PM
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I'd like to echo Badwolf's sentiment...congratulations! Enjoy your new pack...and looking forward to your future gear and trip report posts.
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Old 06-05-2014, 07:53 AM
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I'VE heard some good things about Osprey packs too, both on here and on other places ~ though I personally haven't had the chance to try one myself.

I believe they have a good reputation for comfort, flexibility and toughness/durability ?

(Many of my backpacks - expedition packs, daypacks and more specialised items - happen to be Aussie and Kiwi brands, such as Aiking, Kathmandu, Mountain Design; though I've also just bought a British Berghaus brand 35litre daypack/overnighter. Though with so much gear being manufactured in China or Vietnam, there's always a good chance that different brands are coming out of some of the same factories these days !).
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Old 06-05-2014, 12:27 PM
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Quote:
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... settled on the Ospery Aether 60 ...

Congrats Checksum!

Great all-around pack and decent size. No reason to fill it up for most trips but, the capacity will be there for longer or cold weather trips.

Enjoy it often!
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